About Ex-Minister Organization

See also: The Ex-Minister Idea  * Will Secularism Destroy Society? * Why I am not an atheist - A Skeptic's Case for Belief in God

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Q: What is Ex-Minister? 

A: A skeptical paradox. Ex-minister is a unique brand of religious skepticism within a non-believing movement. What’s unique is that it genuinely respects and appreciates good religion knowing that society would miss it if it were gone.  

Skepticism shouldn’t be hostile towards religion. I entered the movement as a former minister. Although I no longer believed the creed, religion is much more than doctrines and dogmas; it’s a cultural phenomena and a way of life for the majority. Rather than fighting religion over metaphysics (study of existence) and epistemology (study of knowledge), I believe we ought to be focusing upon ethics (study of action) with an eye towards goodness. 

The common good is the intention of religion and secularism when properly focused; lets keep it that way. The dualism of secularism & religion should forge a better world; Ex-minister’s work is to keep them from foolishly dueling. 

Q: If you like religion so much, why be critical? Seems like your positing a hypocritical stance, why not shut things down for the good of religion? 

A: Why take a negative view of criticism? Every decent Bible school teaches Biblical criticism in its Hermeneutics classes. Those that are ineffective are likely to produce fundamentalists; those that teach it well are likely to produce common good difference makers in society. 

Religion has its own paradox; we call it fundamentalism. Virtually no one objects to a good citizen whose belief in God makes them a better person. However, the “wrapped too tightly” crusader invokes consternation to those around him. Simply put, no fundamentalists – no Ex-minister. 

What is true in love is also applicable with religion; the group 38 Special expressed it well in the lyrics of its hit single “Hold on Loosely.” 

“Hold on loosely…but don’t let go….if you cling too tight babe…your gonna lose control” 

The problem with religion & skepticism is that some cling too tightly to it and become truth crusaders. Rather than being a good thing, it denigrates into a belligerent destructive force that invites a never-ending circle of retaliation. Religion isn’t the problem; Fundamentalism (skeptical and religious versions) is what ails us. 

While you didn’t ask me, someone needs to be critical of skepticism as well or else they will continue to wreak unfettered havoc upon religion. Someone within skepticism needs to “have the back” of good religion and do some of their “dirty work” for pragmatic, common good reasons. 

Q: What do I consider to be the most important issue we face and how do we resolve it? 

A: The toppling of our institutions of convention and morality.” 

Will Durant solemnly warns that the tussle between secularism and religion ultimately destroys society. The clash he mentions is already in process, I don’t want it to end is chaos. We should learn from history and seek to make sustainable adjustments. If we do, it is a win – win situation for everyone. If we don’t we’re in deep trouble! 

The forthcoming calamitous clash is what will happen if oblivious secular truth crusaders aggressively continue to disregard roadblocks. While there are peacemakers within religion, secularism forges ahead and is poised for the kill! Secularism doesn’t want to hear or think about this as a problem. 

Secularism is non-chalet and smugly confident that they have the answers for a post-religious society. Personally, I’ve witnessed a post/ non-religious society in the former Soviet Union (Latvia) and see it as undesirable and woefully insufficient. A secular humanist lifestyle is great for those prepared for it; but I don’t see society as apt or anywhere near ready to accept it outside of Scandinavia. While my summation may disappoint my humanist friends, I think we have to better develop the “institutions of convention and morality” that Durant speaks of. 

If we were to someday solve this dilemma, I’d then concur that we are ready and should expedite our secular pace. At this point, we are not even close! How far away are we? Those institutions of convention and  morality extend beyond the church, they involve our screwed up systems of justice that should ensure equal opportunity in a democracy. The spiritual problems of greed and pride are vast. Where is the willpower to implement justice? Poverty is high in unjust societies; I see religion filling a great need in these locations and is thus a friend to mankind. Why fight religion when we should be fighting for justice? 

Q: What has disappointed you thus far? How can former ministers make a difference? 

My vision for Ex-minister has been to set the tone for likeminded (religious friendly) former ministers out of the pool of clergy departing from the faith. Turns out that my vision isn’t as desirable as a combative rebuke/attitude towards the faithful is amongst my peers. 

I’ve rationalized about what has held us back, but I must admit that I have failed to clearly communicate what I believe and what I’m asking others to do! Perhaps my peers just think I’m trying to be nice towards religion to win them over; truth is that conversion of the faithful isn’t that important to me. Cultural aspects are at the top of the pyramid; it is the key issue! 

I don’t think we should be seeking the destruction of the church! I think we should develop a statesmanship/diplomatic type of secularism and affirm a friendly dualism with religion. 

I’m not asking any former minister to follow me; I’m asking them to use their creative ministering talents and join with me to find ways to solve sacred and secular problems. 

Now that my intentions have been clarified, it remains to be seen if they are deemed to have merit amongst my peers. All along I have been swimming upstream with minimal secular encouragement along the way. Time will tell if my intentions will have to look towards non-clergy to man them out of default. 

Q: What’s your tangle with atheists? 

A: It’s a family disagreement. Maybe they were adopted? (LOL) As strongly as I disagree and dislike the destructive course of action that many atheist leaders trod; we do agree with each other about living out our lives without any religious revelation telling us how or what to think. 

Our movement customarily scoffs and  brow beats people that I want to find a way to talk with. I think the majority are sabotaging our opportunity with an attitude that isn’t conducive for dialogue. It’s not important to me that I convert the faithful. If they want to come, read and “kick the tires”…I don’t have the compulsion to “drag them down the aisle”. While I subscribe to my secular humanist viewpoint, it isn’t something to be packaged and evangelistically marketed to humanity. We should keep it friendly, make ourselves approachable and allow the reason we so strongly affirm be the attraction. Does a pretty available girl fail to get noticed in society? Skeptical evangelism can be hideous! 

Q: Do you want to change the world? 

A: Wait a second…Jesus was the one that changed the world. Where I come in is with his followers that can’t follow instructions and take it to extremes that we find to be unacceptable. 

Conversion isn’t important to me, making a contribution is. If someone comes and gets something valuable or that they need here…great! Someone that wants to change the world starts with the premise that someone else is wrong; I’d say that they are at different locations on the road of life searching for ways to better themselves. I’d rather teach a man how to fish than to give him the fishing pole or a fish. 

Q: What is your ideal world? 

A:  It’s a moot point, we have to start with our current situation and work from there. Life is what we make of it. Nurture, compassion, love, commitment, education, justice, opportunity, and values shape it. God loves us and I believe that “he” wants us in turn to love others. This I believe to be intuitive, it shouldn’t require a book to tell us of the story. I am at peace with those that think it does!

 

Ex-Minister: What it is not about! 

Politics.  I’d like for you to see the chart below and think about it. Skepticism obviously labors in the first three branches, but my take is that both religion and skepticism should meet and work together on the ethics level. I don’t want to exceed my boundaries, but if the fruit of a positive secular – religious dualism informs the fourth level (politics) then something good has been accomplished. Too many automatically jump to the fourth level without any input from the foundational first three. I’ve chided misguided religion for going there; skepticism shouldn’t go there either! I’m looking for solutions upon the first three levels. If I go to the fourth level of politics, it will most likely be for matters of justice, otherwise I know my place!   

Introduction to the Five Branches of Philosophy

Philosophy can be divided into five branches which address the following questions:

Metaphysics

Study of Existence

What's out there?

Epistemology

Study of Knowledge

How do I know about it?

Ethics

Study of Action

What should I do?

Politics

Study of Force

What actions are permissible?

Esthetics

Study of Art

What can life be like?

There is a hierarchical relationship between these branches as can be seen in the Concept Chart. At the root is Metaphysics, the study of existence and the nature of existence. Closely related is Epistemology, the study of knowledge and how we know about reality and existence. Dependent on Epistemology is Ethics, the study of how man should act. Ethics is dependent on Epistemology because it is impossible to make choices without knowledge. A subset of Ethics is Politics: the study of how men should interact in a proper society and what constitutes proper. Esthetics, the study of art and sense of life is slightly separate, but depends on Metaphysics, Epistemology, and Ethics.


http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/FiveBranchesMain.html

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Ex-Minister: The proposal to organize and why it should be funded

Why is Ex-Minister needed?

The secular vs. faith divide has a long destructive history. We are all familiar with the ongoing conflicts but rarely stop to consider the price that is paid by society and how this affects the common good. While some see conflict as inevitable, we think those tensions are often preventable and could be avoided when both sides learn how to better communicate and start working together to achieve common goals through mutual interest projects. Ex-Minister's organization proposal seeks to "unplug" factions from areas of tension and to channel that energy into constructive cooperation. To accomplish these goals, one must fully understand both positions and be able to skillfully and effectively communicate how to transcend the divide. Select former clergy are perfect for this! For an itemized listing of targeted areas that  the proposed organization will focus upon, please see “What will the organization do?”  

Ex-Minister is a decidedly secular organization consisting of men and women that were once church leaders, missionaries, or former clergy members. We understand and support post theism clergy and encourage them to use their talents in a constructive manner to build a better world. 

The organization goes back into the world we left behind (frequently in areas of conflict) with the perspective and knowledge taken from the best that both worlds can offer to find elusive solutions for complex issues.

 How will we work?  (Religious and Secular Interaction)  

There are both good and bad elements within religion and plenty of “chameleons” amongst the ranks. Although there are thousands of Christian sects, we can simplify Christianity by pointing out that there are basically two types of Christians. You have the troublesome Fundamentalists contrasted by a Philosophical or Cultural (PC) Christian whom are basically good people. Ex-Minister distinguishes between the two and approaches them accordingly. 

Fundamentalism often stands in the path of societal progress. Ex-Minister counters non-progressive fundamentalism and challenges them in a variety of ways. Our approach seems to be somewhat of a paradox. We challenge fundamentalism through rational means while warming up to and seeking to work with PC Christianity! Overall, we seek the common good and desire to help bring it about through understanding and cooperation between secular and religious interaction. To be sure, Ex-Minister is seeking to construct a new paradigm in which people negotiate matters of faith and religion which redounds to the common good.

The common good doesn’t have a theology; it is what both of us have in common. We discover that the “other side” isn’t as bad as we had imagined them when we start working together. Ex-Minister gets them together through mutual interest projects. 

Religious history is replete with failed examples of proposals seeking compromise or demanding change that have resulted in division. Issues such as liberalism, doctrine, ecumenicalism, gay clergy acceptance, etc., etc. etc. results in a “winning” side while the minority group that cannot accept the changes parts company because they’re not receptive to the alternatives. 

Ex-Minister knows better than to demand change or compromise because it draws contempt and is doomed to failure. We understand religious folks. We don’t need to change them, we just want to work with them.  We have done our homework and continually seek to perfect our methods through study and projects designed to remove obstacles to the common good.

 (Religious vs. Religious Conflict)

The approach to religion vs. religion conflict is a bit different, we prefer to build humanity rather than fight theology. When these “in house” conflicts spill over into the secular arena and involve human rights; this is where an “unplugged” specialist with a theology background like Ex-Minister would enter into the picture as a peacemaker. Clergy frequently distrust other clergy or clergy peacemakers. This hampers dialogue and often reinforces a harder line position to be taken that exacerbates the problem.  

Our Philosophy

 As a humanist organization, we would rather trumpet reason and not be distracted from our pursuit of the common good with unnecessary strife. Unfortunately, a number of individuals that leave the faith desire to wage warfare against it. Suddenly those that were once allies quickly become adversaries in the “god wars.” We don’t understand this type of thinking. People of faith shouldn’t be viewed as our enemies but as co-laborers for the better world that we seek. Things work best when we continue practicing our humanism, check our egos and focus upon what we have in common, rather than where we differ.

 Support Us! 

Thank you for having taken a few moments to get acquainted with our dream. We are ready and willing to get things started! What we need is funding. We are asking for your financial support and desire to hear from those of you that are friendly with what we are seeking to do! 

Sincerely,

Brian Worley

MAILING ADDRESS: Ex-minister  PO Box 1352  Silver Spring, MD 20915

                       

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