You Can't Have it Both Ways 

Brian Worley

[Three brief discussions on difficult Christian topics]    

                                  1. Faith/Reason Oxymoron 2. Gay/Straight Sexuality 3. Christian Castaways (C. S. Lewis)  

THE FAITH/REASON OXYMORON

All right Christian, I will accept your definition of faith as the reason why you believe what you believe in. You should grant to me the same courtesy and accept my belief in reason for my being a secular humanist.  One big difference between us is that I believe in one less god than what you believe in.

I have considered being a "evangelistic atheist" at times in the past. I have since abandoned this idea and am content to reaching out only to those that are open to reason. 

I haven't forgotten that I once held Christian beliefs for 23 years.  Some atheists feel that Christians are really stupid people.  I beg to differ with these smug atheists. Many Christians have never been presented with a proper case against Christianity.  And once presented with this information, it may take a long length of time to digest what was found.  

I had once considered enrolling at Liberty University to pursue a degree in apologetics. Had I had done this; I would have had to confront a difficult oxymoron.  This is the absurd idea of faith and reason co-existing together in perfect harmony. 

Dear Christian, you want to be accepted for believing by faith, and you want skeptics to accept your reasoning that is built upon the foundation of faith. This is amazing!   You switch back and forth between faith and reason whenever it pleases you to do so.  

Once you choose faith to understand the Bible. True reason becomes your enemy. Reason is the cause that has made all of us ex-Christians abandon our journey of faith. Christian apologetics can give reasons for the hope that their belief brings. But all these reasons are based upon faith... .not true reason. 

As I earlier mentioned, I don't think that Christians are stupid. That is until they start to earnestly contend with a skeptic with an irrational mixture of faith and reason.  Faith and reason don't mix!  Christians accept faith, skeptics don't. Faith overrides the domain of reason (logic, science, history) in the Christian mindset. When a skeptic uses reason, the Christian presses their "mute button" of faith to muzzle the message of reason that was delivered.  

Basically, this explains why I am not an "evangelistic atheist". Christians deny reason; skeptics deny faith. The result is a standoff and a waste of time. The problem here is a standard ethics breach by the Christian. The Christian denies reason when it suits their needs, but then tries to use reason when they have found someone that allows them to get away with it. If you (Christian) deny reason, then don't be a hypocrite and try to later use it! If you're against reason, be consistent, and don't use it to convert others to your religion!

I am content with Christians riding their "faith bus", but don't get the idea that I will allow you to steal a little reason from me when we have discussions. You chose faith to determine your path; I chose reason to determine mine. Dear Christian, you can't have it both ways! 

GAY/STRAIGHT SEXUALITY

I must admit that I cannot understand the sexual attraction between members of the same sex to each other.  I am only attracted to women and I sense that this is the way that it was meant to be. When you discuss the argument of design (sexually), it just seems natural that members of the opposite sex were made for each other.  Please remember this last point. 

I think it is awful that people dislike and actually hate another person because of sexual preferences (gay/straight). Gay people are one of Christian Fundamentalist's favorite pet peeves. Yea, I know, they hate the sin, but love the sinner (yea... . whatever).  

Gay people claim that they have natural sexual desires for each other. If this is what they say they feel then who should deny a subjective claim such as this?  Usually, the person that says this isn't natural, but it is, in fact, a personal choice that a person makes is normally a Christian practitioner.  Now, let me interject a thought here that I have never heard anyone else bring up or defend when I bring it up. 

Dear Christian, what do you do when a person is born with both male and female genitalia?  You know a hermaphrodite (a individual in which reproductive organs of both sexes are present). They were created this way according to your worldview. That same argument of design is now thrown into chaos. This person can choose either sex for a sexual partner because they were born with male and female genitalia. Would you deny this?  Or would you just deny them their sexuality? 

There are many things that people may dislike in the world. I want to distinguish between sexual crime and preference here. But isn't it time to stop the hatred and learn to be tolerant of someone that holds a different viewpoint than ourselves? 

Dear Christian, did your god make a mistake with the hermaphrodite?  Your Bible is clearly against homosexuality. Your Bible says God created male and female, not some combination. If you say that your God didn't make a mistake then your Christian God allows for situational sexual ethics. Either way, it seems that your God isn't as concerned about sexuality as the Christian pleasure police are. Dear Christian, you can't have it both ways! 

THE SUBJECT OF CHRISTIAN CASTAWAYS

I laugh to myself when I hear Christians try to explain why a member would leave the fold of Christianity to be a skeptic.  In my case, I haven't heard any Christian repeat back to me the truth on why I left. As Dan Barker has well said, "I just lost faith in faith".  Don't expect a Christian to state this as the reason for a castaway leaving the faith. Why can't Christians be moral and just simply tell the truth when asked about someone who left the faith for intellectual reasons? Being an ex-minister for nine years now affords me the opportunity to hear about these castaways.  Castaways are a term that Christians will label an ex-Christian.  

Castaways are not supposed to happen.  The Apostle Paul was concerned about himself becoming a castaway.  Some Christians feel that castaways   never were a true Christian, they simply lived a life of deception.

The main arguments you hear when Christian's discuss castaways are:

 1) "you never really had it" 2) Tares and the wheat  3) Parable of the seeds  4) Calvinistic debates 5)  Hebrew 6:1-8 which states that it is impossible for a believer to fall away and to come back.  

One thing that I never hear when this subject arises is the case about C. S. Lewis.  C. S. Lewis abandoned his faith and became an Atheist, only to come back to Christianity after some time. You don't believe me? Go to Wikipedia and type in his name and read their biography about Mr. Lewis. According to the Bible (Hebrews 6:1-8), C. S. Lewis did something that was impossible to do. Dear Christian, would you say that C. S. Lewis never had it?  Or do you claim C. S. Lewis as a Christian? If so, then what will you do with people such as myself and all the other people who were true believers that have abandoned their faith? Wait if you want, but I am not coming back. Wither the case about castaways? Dear Christian, you can't have it both ways!

 

Brian Worley           Ex-minister.org     Dec. 2007     All rights reserved.  

 


 



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